może i jestem ignorantem ale na miniaturce przypomina mi to ciasto ;D

infallible: może i jestem ignorantem ale na miniaturce przypomina mi to ciasto ;D

infallible:
może i jestem ignorantem ale na miniaturce przypomina mi to ciasto ;D

he ;'].

redsoxpugie: infallible: może i jestem ignorantem ale na miniaturce przypomina mi to ciasto ;D he ;'].

Aichmetes, good. The fall of a civilization is like death; you know it's going to hapepn sooner or later; you do your best to make sure that "sooner or later" isn't right now, but you also make plans in case that doesn't work out, and as age or illness makes death more likely, you amp up your preparations to leave something for the future. We should be doing the same thing as our civilization begins to die around us. Crismon, I'm not saying you should just save yourself and say "oh well" about the rest of humanity; my point is that change has to start from the individual, and work up from there through the family, the neighborhood, and the community before it can have any real impact on the political system. Change at the national level is the last stage, and can't be accomplished without the earlier stages; it's a waste of time trying to get the feds to make changes that individuals aren't willing to make in their own lives. Ceridwen, exactly, but the end of a civilization isn't the end of the world -- it's hapepned before and it will hapepn again. That perspective makes it possible to find hope and choose constructive action in this difficult time. David, I'm quite familiar with the technologies that are already here. They're essential -- once fossil fuels are gone, they're what we'll have left -- but there are hard limits on how much usable energy you can get from renewables and it's a lot less than we're getting from the 500 million years of stored solar energy we've been burning through so recklessly. No existing renewable resource, or combination of renewables, will allow us to continue living the way we have been living -- and the gap is not a small one. RAS, a belated happy Samhuinn to you too! I'm not surprised you got the same responses. though it's a bit surprising you got all three in sequence; I get them all the time, as David's comment above demonstrates...Anagnosto, that's an excellent point. Thank you for the suggestion!Isis, the sad thing is that your would-be angle trisectors (as well as circle squarers, etc.) have missed the whole point of this very traditional and useful exercise. You can't trisect an angle exactly, or square a circle; what you can do, as the old Pythagorean geometers knew, was to approximate these things in a way that teaches you something about the universe. (For example, squaring the circle is a classic meditative exercise about the relationship between spirit and matter.) The whole point of the exercise is that it can never be exact...but the old understanding of incommensurability, the keystone of classical sacred geometry, is lost on people who insist they can impose rational pattern exactly on the phenomenal universe. And yes, you're quite right that the same flawed thinking underlies the fantasy of infinite material growth on a finite planet!

Gość: Aichmetes, good. The fall of a civilization is like death; you know it's going to hapepn sooner or later; you do your best to make sure that "sooner or later" isn't right now, but you also make plans in case that doesn't work out, and as age or illness makes death more likely, you amp up your preparations to leave something for the future. We should be doing the same thing as our civilization begins to die around us. Crismon, I'm not saying you should just save yourself and say "oh well" about the rest of humanity; my point is that change has to start from the individual, and work up from there through the family, the neighborhood, and the community before it can have any real impact on the political system. Change at the national level is the last stage, and can't be accomplished without the earlier stages; it's a waste of time trying to get the feds to make changes that individuals aren't willing to make in their own lives. Ceridwen, exactly, but the end of a civilization isn't the end of the world -- it's hapepned before and it will hapepn again. That perspective makes it possible to find hope and choose constructive action in this difficult time. David, I'm quite familiar with the technologies that are already here. They're essential -- once fossil fuels are gone, they're what we'll have left -- but there are hard limits on how much usable energy you can get from renewables and it's a lot less than we're getting from the 500 million years of stored solar energy we've been burning through so recklessly. No existing renewable resource, or combination of renewables, will allow us to continue living the way we have been living -- and the gap is not a small one. RAS, a belated happy Samhuinn to you too! I'm not surprised you got the same responses. though it's a bit surprising you got all three in sequence; I get them all the time, as David's comment above demonstrates...Anagnosto, that's an excellent point. Thank you for the suggestion!Isis, the sad thing is that your would-be angle trisectors (as well as circle squarers, etc.) have missed the whole point of this very traditional and useful exercise. You can't trisect an angle exactly, or square a circle; what you can do, as the old Pythagorean geometers knew, was to approximate these things in a way that teaches you something about the universe. (For example, squaring the circle is a classic meditative exercise about the relationship between spirit and matter.) The whole point of the exercise is that it can never be exact...but the old understanding of incommensurability, the keystone of classical sacred geometry, is lost on people who insist they can impose rational pattern exactly on the phenomenal universe. And yes, you're quite right that the same flawed thinking underlies the fantasy of infinite material growth on a finite planet!